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Solicitors Salaries: Unpaid Overtime

Posted by Sarah Ryan on March 07, 2013
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A report out from the Trades Union Congress (TUC) showed that up to 49.6% of legal professionals are staying at the office late and doing unpaid overtime.  The average overtime worked was 9.7 hours per week.  The only professions working harder than this were educators and financial institution managers.

The TUC went on to say that the average solicitors salary worked out at a rate of £27.60 per hour, which means that legal workers lose an average of £13,921.44 per year.

The key question here is whether these extra hours are a result of huge workloads that have been mismanaged by their employers, or a sense of expectancy (i.e. it would be frowned upon to leave the office at 5.30pm).

The problem is that a good work-life balance keeps employees happy, well-rested and better solicitors.  This last point may seem like a strange comment, but I really think that solicitors that leave the office on time and get a good weekend perform better at their job – not only because they have more energy, but also because pursuing other interests outside of work enables them to better engage with their clients.

So, if you feel like you are living at the office, talk to your managing partner or supervisor and see if there are ways to reduce your workload.  Can some work be delegated to junior members of staff or outsourced?  If you really can’t get away from the office on time, at least take a proper lunch break and get out of the office for 30 minutes to clear your head, and try to switch off from the office on the weekends.  Remote logins and smartphones make it all too easy to keep connected to work 24/7 but try to avoid these on your downtime if at all possible.  You may even be able to make better use of your commuting time by listening to audio books or doing some legal research.  One word of warning though: don’t do what one solicitor on the train home did the other day and read client files on the train in plain sight – it might be a slight breach of confidentiality if fellow commuters can clearly read it over your shoulder!

What are your thoughts on the TUC report?  Is unpaid overtime part of the package when you work in the legal industry?  Or are law firms exploiting their employees by not paying for these extra hours?  Is it the heavy workloads or expectations causing this trend?  Let me know your thoughts in the comments section below!

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#Askasolicitor Questions & Responses


In this blog post, you will find a list of the questions that I have had from twitter users in response to my #askasolicitor campaign.  I have given brief responses below but will cover my answers in more detail in separate blog posts as soon as I can.  If I have finished the detailed blog post for a question, I will post the link back here so that you know where to find it!  I will also include links to my solicitor interviews where other qualified solicitors have answered those questions.  If you have a question that you would like to be answered by a qualified solicitor, please comment below, send me a tweet to @RyanLegalEagles with the hashtag #askasolicitor or post on my facebook page.

“What’s the most valuable thing you have learnt which you can’t find in a textbook? That, or can I have a job please?” from @SamAArnold”

I would say that the most important lesson that I have learnt since university that I wasn’t taught there is that the legal knowledge is really only a third of what you need to succeed.  You also need sales & marketing skills and people skills.

Sales & marketing is vital because if you ever want to progress as a solicitor you will eventually need to start bringing in your own clients.  As a trainee and NQ, you may be able to skate by on the work brought in by the firm for you, but eventually your employers will look to you to start bringing in new clients yourself.  This was certainly a shock to the system for me as a new solicitor, as I had no sales experience and had never been taught it at school or university.

People skills are also crucial to gain new clients and retain existing ones.  If you do not form a good relationship with your clients and referrers, they will have no reason to trust you or return to you when they or someone they know needs your help.

Luckily, these skills can be learnt from books to an extent.  I have a list of books that cover these subjects on my “recommended reading” list but in particular, I would suggest the PSYCHOLOGY OF SELLING by Brian Tracy, The 25 Sales Habits of Highly Successful Salespeople by Stephen Covey, How To Win Friends And Influence People by Dale Carneige and How to Speak, How to Listen by Mortimer Adler.  Practically speaking, these skills will need to be honed with real experience and this will come with time.  To get a head start, I suggest attending networking events, functions and perhaps take up a part-time job in retail/sales to work on your marketing skills.

As for the second part of your question, I’m afraid I have no recruitment power at the moment but if I did, I’d be happy to consider you! :-)

“What is your one regret in your career?” by @Gabbyhay

I have spent a lot of time thinking about this question in an attempt to provide you with an answer less corny than “I don’t have any”.  But the reality is, I really don’t!  Yes, I have made mistakes in my time and yes, I have faced many challenges (like finding a training contract, looking for a job as a NQ solicitor in a recession and my job relocating over an hour away) but if none of those things had happened, I wouldn’t be the solicitor, or person, that I am today!

If I was really pushed for an answer, I guess that I wished I had learnt the importance of selling & marketing (see the above question) at an earlier stage because I would have learnt more about them when I was doing my LPC/training contract.  This would have made it a lot easier when I qualified and was suddenly expected to bring in new clients myself.

“Knowing all that you know now, would you still want to be a lawyer and why?” from @RemiToyobo

I suspect that my response to this question is not going to be the response that many of you want to read but I do believe in answering questions honestly.  If I were to make the decision again, I would probably not choose to be a solicitor because I don’t think I appreciated how long it takes to be rewarded for all of your hard work and I’m not sure I would have been willing to wait that long if I had known that at the time!  One thing you should be aware of is that you may not be paid the salary that you feel you deserve at trainee level, or even as a NQ solicitor.  I will go into this in more detail in a later blog post.

Having said that, now that I am a qualified solicitor with 2 years PQE, I am pleased and proud of my career choice.  Through the last ten years, I have learnt so much and gained such a wealth of experience that even if I did decide to change careers in the future, I would have such a wide range of options open to me.  I love being a family law solicitor and find it incredibly rewarding to help people through such a difficult time in their lives – in the end, that was worth all of those hours of studying and free work experience!

“How did you get a job/traineeship in this economy?” from @AhmedJnr

I managed to secure my training contract halfway through my Legal Practice Course.  I made between 60-80 applications and went for 2-3 interviews, so it was a difficult, frustrating process.  The firm that employed me as a trainee was one that I had written to after finding them via a google search and liked the look of their website.  I sent a copy of my CV with a covering letter, which I had personalised to make it stand out.  To do this, I put a photo of a local landmark in the letter’s header with my contact details.  This helped my application because (a) it was eye-catching to make it stand out and (b) it shows that I am a local applicant, which high street firms tend to like as you are more likely to want to stay in the area so won’t leave them upon qualification after they have invested so much time and money in training you.

I qualified just as the recession was starting in 2010 and this meant that I wasn’t retained by my training firm.  I had to find a job as a NQ solicitor, which can be as difficult as finding a training contract.  I took a similar approach as I did when I looked for my training contract: (a) preparing well before starting to apply (see here); (b) networking and asking all of my legal contacts for their help; (c) widening my search to neighbouring counties); (d) searching recruitment websites and (e) building an online social media presence on LinkedIn, twitter and WordPress so that I could demonstrate my soft skills (e.g. networking, marketing) to potential interviewers.  It definitely helped to be able to demonstrate to my interviewers that I had 750 followers on twitter and a loyal group of readers of my blog.

I will go into this topic in more detail in a later blog.

“What’s the main thing you look for from applications?” from @natalielorna1

I must point out, first of all, that I have not been involved in the recruitment of trainee solicitors, as I have only been qualified for 2 years myself.  But, I was consulted by our firm’s Managing Director in the recruitment of legal assistants and work experience students, so have some knowledge on the subject.  In my opinion, the most important qualities to highlight to potential employers include: -

  • Academic record (as stated in this post, grades are not everything, but getting excellent grades does give you the edge over other applicants so do your best!);
  • Both teamwork and an ability to work well alone: Being a trainee solicitor requires both skills so employers will want to see that you can do both.
  • Interpersonal skills & communication
  • Business knowledge
  • Commitment to a legal career
  • Attention to detail (i.e. make sure the application contains no spelling mistakes or grammatical errors!)
  • Extra-curricular activities
  • Work experience

I will go into details on how to demonstrate each of these in a later blog post, but hopefully this will give you an idea of the sort of things an employer would look for.  I am also currently looking to interview managing partners of firms that hire trainees so keep watching the blog for those posts!

“Are you still happy in the area of law you qualified into?  Would you change given the chance?” from @LegalGeekChic

When I was a trainee solicitor, I loved litigation and was hoping to qualify into this area upon qualification.  However, in the end, I wasn’t retained by the firm that trained me and I had to find a job as a NQ solicitor in a recession, which is almost as difficult as finding a training contract!  So, I had to compromise in order to qualify and ended up accepting a job as a family law solicitor.

In the end, I got very lucky – family law enabled me to practice litigation and yet still utilise my compassion and kindness to help people on a personal level with their relationships.  It turned out that I was more suited to an area of law where I could make a difference to real people, whereas litigation tended to involve working for big corporations in helping them to save money or avoid being sued!  Now that I have worked in the area for a while, I wouldn’t change my choice even if I were given the chance to!

The one downside of family law is that it can at times be a little depressing.  I got married two months after starting to practice family law and dealing with the darker side of relationships and bitter disputes over children and money can be a bit disenchanting.  However, I find that by focusing on the positive and being grateful for my wonderful husband it actually improves my marriage!

“What are the key motivations & qualities required in order to succeed and enjoy a career in law especially?” from @Lisa__Wang

  • Passion, enthusiasm & persistence – A law career is a long, hard slog and it does take a while before your hard work is rewarded financially, so in order to be successful, you really need to love the law and be willing to work hard for little reward or recognition for a few years.  Know that it is worth it in the end!
  • Time management – Being a lawyer is a stressful job and you will get a lot of different tasks thrown at you during the day.  It is crucial that you can juggle these tasks, learn to prioritise them and manage your day if you are to enjoy your job.
  • Be friendly, sociable and approachable – This will help you to succeed in networking and build relationships with clients.
  • Honesty and integrity – Clients expect lawyers to work to a high moral standard, total professional integrity and ethical code, because they will only instruct solicitors they trust.

These are the top qualities that I think are important to be a successful solicitor and enjoy your career.  On top of that, it is important that you can demonstrate the skills listed in my answer to @natalielorna1′s question above to employers.  I will go into these in more detail and talk about why they are important in a future blog post.

“What should I expect in the first few days of a training contract?” from @danny_naylor

This can vary depending on the type of firm, but I trained in a typical high street firm so can give you an idea of what my first few days were like.  The first morning of my training contract was spent with HR running through all of the firm’s policies and my employment & training contracts.  After lunch, I was taken round the firm and introduced to the rest of the staff.  In the afternoon, I was given IT training on the email & phone system, client management system and dictation software.  By 4pm on my first day, I had been given my first piece of research by the litigation partner.  On my second day, I was taken to an appointment with a client, was given some employment contracts to review, proof-read and suggest improvements on and received more training on time recording.  I was also shown the debt collection files, which the trainee solicitor at the firm was always responsible for.  After the first couple of days, I was given new work everyday.

I would say that I hit the ground running with my training and was very lucky to have a lot of responsibility from an early stage, which helped me to learn an incredible amount very quickly.  Some firms have a few days of training and start their trainees off with mainly research and drafting.

I will be interviewing other trainee solicitors and qualified solicitors in the near future and will post their answers to this question here once their interviews have been published.

“Do employers look at the GDL qualification any differently from  regular law degree?” from @4090ben

Yes, but not necessarily in a negative way!  I know some solicitors who see the GDL as a very good thing because it produces a trainee solicitor who has a much wider knowledge base and experience of other things.  For example, a trainee solicitor who did a degree in business would excel in commercial law, or if they did a psychology degree, they may excel in family law.  A marketing degree would help with promoting the firm and it’s services.  From my experience of high street firms, employers do not tend to mind which route the student took to being ready for a training contract, as long as they can demonstrate the right skills (see my answers to @natalielorna1 and @Lisa__Wang’s questions above), show enthusiasm for their business and their personality fits with the ethos of the firm.

I will cover the GDL in more detail in a later post.

“Will only a pass at LPC hinder getting a training contract?” from @4_samm

First of all, there is no such thing as “only a pass” when it comes to the Legal Practice Course.  It is a tough course with a high workload and tight deadlines.  Many students fail the Legal Practice Course and only a small minority get a commendation or distinction.  If you have passed the LPC, you should be incredibly proud and give yourself a huge pat on the back!

In terms of whether this will hinder your chances of getting a training contract, obviously the law students with a distinction or commendation will have a slight edge on you when recruiters are reviewing the applications.  This does not mean that you will not be able to get a training contract though!  I would focus on increasing the work experience and other interests on your CV to help you stand out and this will improve your chances.  For more advice, see my blog post on grades here.

 

You can find Sheena at Osborne Morris Morgan’s response to some of these questions here.

 

Don’t forget, if you have a question that you would like to #askasolicitor, either comment below, send me a tweet to @RyanLegalEagles with the hashtag #askasolicitor or write a post on my facebook page.  Als, feel free to contact me in the same ways if you are a qualified solicitor and would like to add your answer to any of these questions – we would love your input!

Trainee Salary Review: 5 Reasons to Feel Positive

I know that we are all still a little upset by last week’s news that the SRA are scrapping the regulations that set a minimum salary for trainee solicitors, but I don’t want any of you to lose heart.  Dwelling on the negative and feeling bleak about the future won’t do any good and certainly won’t help you reach qualification!

So, with that in mind, here are my top five reasons why you should feel positive about the future:

1.  Over 70% of law firms currently pay more than the minimum salary to trainee solicitors, so there is a very strong chance that you will be paid more than the bare minimum when you do get a training contract.

2.  The new measures may actually inject passion back into the profession, as many students who were only in it for the money will be put off trying to qualify and we will be left with those students who have real passion and commitment to be a solicitor.  And those who are passionate about their job end up being paid more eventually anyway, since they tend to self-study after qualification and improve their value to the firm.

3.  It is likely that the deregulation of the minimum salary will result in more training contracts being available, which will mean more opportunities to qualify.  There may be a risk that there won’t be as many jobs available upon qualification, but is it not better to be qualified and looking for work than unqualified and looking for a training contract?  Besides, speaking from experience, it is a lot easier to find a job as a Newly Qualified solicitor than a training contract (and I had to do it at the start of the recession!).  In addition, if you can prove yourself as invaluable to the firm during your training contract, it is highly likely that you will be taken on at the end of it.

4.  There are so many cheerleaders today!  When I was looking for a training contract, there wasn’t a lot of support out there for law students.  Today, you have a huge network of personal cheerleaders ready to motivate you, pick you up and dust you off after a bad interview and celebrate with you when you get a training contract!

You only have to look on twitter for a few minutes to see how much support there is out there for law students today.  Beyond this site, there is also the Duncan Gibbins Academy (@DG_Academy), Michael at EK Business Law (@ekbusinesslaw), LawCareers.net (@LawCareersNetUK) and the Trainee Solicitors Surgery (@TraineeSurgery) and many more!  The forum at traineesolicitor.co.uk is also very useful, with lots of qualified solicitors ready to help answer any questions you might have.  Really, with so much support behind you, what choice is there but to succeed?

5.  You are unique.  There is no other law student out there like you – with your exact interests, background and personality.  You have the desire and passion to make it in the legal industry and this will stand out so clearly to potential employers at job interviews.  You can and will reach qualification.  Once you do you will open a whole world of opportunities and the sky will be the limit for your potential salary then.  So my advice is to put the SRA’s decision behind you, plant a smile on your face and get out there ready to face the day!  Your training contract is waiting for you to apply for it! :-)

So, in the spirit of being positive – what are you most thankful for/happy about today?  My happy moment today was watching my husband and baby son both sleeping at 5am while I was writing this blog post – I felt like the luckiest woman alive!  Please post your happy thoughts and positive comments below so that we can spread the good feeling!

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Trainee Salary Review – My Thoughts

Posted by Sarah Ryan on May 07, 2012
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Background

The current prescribed minimum salary set by the Solicitors Regulation Authority is set at £16,650 outside of London and £18,590 in central London.  The SRA are currently considering whether to remove the prescribed minimum salary altogether.  These proposals have been widely criticised by the Junior Lawyers Division and the Law Society who have branded the salary review as “unfortunate” and “premature”.  The results of the SRA’s consultation will be fed back to the SRA Board later this month.

The Disadvantages

The deregulation of the prescribed minimum salary could result in traineeships become classed as apprenticeships under the National Minimum Wage Regulations 1999, which would mean that employers would only be liable to pay the national minimum wage from 1999 to their trainees in the first year (£2.60 per hour) and the standard minimum wage for every subsequent year (currently set at £6.08 per hour).

It is possible that this could damage social mobility and diversity in the profession with fears that high qualification costs (especially with the rising costs of university tuition fees) and low pay could deter all but the very rich from becoming solicitors at all.  This does seem to be a step backwards to the elitist profession of earlier years.

The Law Society has also questionned whether firms wanting to pay their trainees £2.60 per hour should even be offering training contracts at all, as it casts doubts over whether the firm would be able to offer adequate training and resources to the trainee.

The Advantages

The SRA feels that there may no longer be  a need for them to regulate a trainee’s salary and that they should not be attempting to control the legal employment market in any way.  After all, no other regulatory body sets prescribed minimum salaries for their trainees.

At the present time, there are 9088 trainee solicitors registered in England and Wales.  Of these, 30% are paid at the minimum level.  It is fair to assume therefore that only 30% of the trainees in the country would be affected by the removal of the prescribed minimum salary.  These trainees would still be protected by the National Minimum Wage Regulations 1999, which, as discussed above, would class trainees as apprentices.

The potential for some employers to reduce salary levels must be weighed against the fact that the existence of a prescribed minimum salary that is higher that the national minimum wage might be actually stopping some firms from offering training contracts at all.  The removal of the minimum salary may result in some firms starting to offer training contracts for the first time, or existing training firms starting to offer more places.  This would give more law students the opportunity to qualify.

Admittedly, there is a possibility that trainees from less wealthy backgrounds may be deterred from pursuing a career in law.  However, it is equally possible that access to a legal career may be improved as more law firms are able to offer training contracts.  Given that there continues to be a high demand for training contracts, any measures which seek to increase the availability of them has to be worth consideration.

My Thoughts

The new proposals set out by the SRA to remove the prescribed minimum salary for trainee solicitors could result in some trainees being exploited by firms and being paid the bare minimum of £2.60 per hour for their first year.  This is a shockingly low figure, especially when you consider the huge tuition fees payable by the trainee to their university for 4-5 years of study and the fact that they would not be paid at all during their studies unless they undertake extra employment in addition to their ardous academic workload.

I also find it slightly insulting that trainee solicitors would be treated as apprentices for the first year of their training contract and, as such, would be paid the wage of an apprentice (£2.60 per hour) during this time.  This does not take into account the 4-5 years of hard study undertaken by the trainee, or the countless hours spent doing free work experience for law firms to bolster their CV to even get their foot in the door for a training contract!

Nevertheless, I do believe that the removal of a prescribed minimum salary may result in more training contracts being available to an already saturated marketplace, which I think can only be a good thing.

It may be difficult for trainees to work for such low salaries throughout their training contract, but I think that it would be worth it if a career in law is really your ultimate goal.  For anyone who is passionate about being a solicitor, surviving 1-2 more years on a low salary may be a small sacrifice to make to reach qualification.  And if the law firm does not offer a reasonable salary upon qualification which is in line with the market salaries, then the trainee has at least reached qualification and can then decide to move on to another firm offering a more rewarding wage.

The thing to bear in mind with a minimum salary is that it is only the first rung in the ladder.  If your intention is to stay on the minimum salary for the rest of your life, then maybe it should be higher than £2.60 per hour, but in reality you will be looking to move up the ladder and earn more as your value increases.  As I have said in my previous post, employers will pay you according to the value that you bring to the firm, so the way to increase your salary is to increase your value by learning, learning and learning!

Yes, it is incrediably unfair that some trainee solicitors will be paid as little as £2.60 per hour following 4-5 years of hard studying, but there is little that we can do to affect the SRA’s decision.  I would chalk this down to one of the many challenges that face solicitors throughout their careers and see it as an opportunity to thrive in spite of it.  If you can reach qualification with all of the obstacles facing trainees and law students these days, then you know that you will be well equipped to face anything that may challenge you throughout your career.  And if you are determined and focused on that goal, you will get there!

What do you think of the changes to the minimum salary proposed by the SRA?

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